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    • POEM: Invictus by William Ernest Henley (12/23/2009 5:24:00 PM)

      Marius Meyer,

      Thank you, for your opinion and support of my arguement. It's refreshing to see God fearing someone offer his support with equillibrium pleasantry. I particularly enjoy your opinion of the imprtance of word usage, as such, i will honor you by using your favorite word. I am 'virtually' impressed. :)

    • POEM: Invictus by William Ernest Henley (12/19/2009 3:15:00 AM)

      Wow...is it impossible nowadays to express your opinions before self guilted people confront you with their self internal woes?

      Sean taylor- YES, i am unabashadedly telling you that God takes credit to all beauty, creativity and morality. God created beautiful nature, human, who in turn manifested the creativity and morality in them. As to comparing God and harry potter-i rather say nothing but my earnest promise to pray for your soul. lol



      Scott Gowdy,

      You brought forth a very fantastic arguement. 'We are all agents unto ourselves. We all can choose. ' (and followed by the bible scriptures of course)


      I can see your point based on explaining the lines of i am the captain of my soul, and master of my fate. That can ring a connotation of - If you do good and live your life guided by God- you can be master of your fate. Basically, in concept of religion, that it is upto you if you want to go to heaven.


      However, Gowdy, on the second point, i totally disagree.

      'And in relation to the line in the poem 'I thank whatever gods may be' - it sounds like he doesnt know for sure but he is at least acknowledging something greater than himself and expressing gratitude which, for those who believe in god, understand this concept very well'


      He doesnt know for sure? But i thought the point of religion or belief in God was total surrender in NOT a 'being' out there, not a spiritual force in the air, but a total know and belief in God, as your creator. I mean, personal faith is relative to an individual, the degree in which a believer believers in God varries- but he/she who doesnt know for sure God exist-is simply called an agnost. And he who rejects God entirely is called an atheist or a Sean taylor in this case. lol (kidding)


      Last but not least, -Generally, i do think the poem is inspirational. I still stand by orginal analysis, that it is a strong, moving, inspiration poem. There is a ressileance in the poem that can be taken as an inspirational tool; Edward shared the poet's amputation story-which rings very true to the voice of the poem in its strength.(or fight death?) And Smith is also correct as a poem can be interpretted 300 ways, havings said that- i interpret it as a strong moving inspirational poem at the end of the day. Would i be proud to place it as one of my cherished poem collections? No. Why? Strictly based on the looming god-less slash agnost contents in the poem.

    • POEM: Invictus by William Ernest Henley (12/16/2009 8:35:00 PM)

      Crawford lol I resent that robust accusation of me having no free will. I do have a free will, and i choose it so to believe in God. Is that a crime? In fact, Jeff your point of rebuttal only enforced my position, which is, this poem is indeed a God-less poem, and the author certainly an agnost or at worst-an athiest.

      I am the master of my fate,
      I am the captain of my soul'


      Clearly this above two stanzas escaped my notice before. The author basically is distastefully taking credit of him fate and soul, as if he was God himself. I should have seen that. I guess it took a none believer like you Jeff to notice this. If you meant to convince me i lacked free will- but it only re-enforced me to believe that God is the master of my fate, the captain of my soul. The poets arrogance to assert he is the master and captain of his soul is in infact-certifiably blasphamous.
      Can we agree to disagree? Must you make me join you and your infamous atheist.....Christopher hitchesn in your heresey camp? I think not.


      Basra. Minneapolis.

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